Shroud of Turin: Rh Negative or Rh Positive?

I recently received the following comment regarding the Shroud of Turin in which the author states the blood on the shroud was identified as AB+.  My research agrees that the blood was typed as AB but AB- not AB+.  After receiving this comment I researched this subject again and could find no information that could corroborate that it was Rh positive.  I’ve asked the author to provide additional info.  Do any of you readers have any info on this topic that you’d like to share?  Following are the comments which sparked this inquiry:

“The blood stains on the Turin Shroud reveal they are of the blood group AB positive, the same as the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano and the Sudarium (Face-Cloth) of Christ. The slice of human heart flesh preserved [and security sealed against fraud and theft] exhibits very interesting properties that are in keeping with the tradition of no matter the size of a consecrated host, it is the whole of Jesus the communicant recieves. A surgeon also commented that the way the heart tissue had been sliced would have been very difficult for a modern expert surgeon to achieve. ‘The blood has congealed and is now in five clots in the glass chalice. In 1971 and 1981 a hospital laboratory tested the flesh and blood and discovered that the flesh is myocardium, that is heart muscular tissue, so we could say it is the heart of Jesus, the Sacred Heart, and the blood is of the blood group AB positive. In 1978 NASA scientists tested the blood on the Turin Shroud and interestingly also discovered that it is of the blood group AB positive. (The Sudarium, Face Cloth of Christ, mentioned in John 20:6 is also of the blood group AB positive.) Despite the fact that human flesh and blood should not have remained preserved for 1300 years the hospital lab tests found no trace of any preservatives. One final interesting point about the five blood clots in the chalice is that when you weigh one of them, it is the same weight as all five together, two of them together weigh the same as all five. In fact no matter what way you combine the blood clots individually or in a group to weigh them, they always weigh the same. (This shows that the full Jesus is present in a particle of the Eucharist no matter how small.) Taken from: ‘Homily for the Solemnity of Corpus Christi – the Body and Blood of Jesus’ – by Fr. Tommy Lane.”


58 Responses to “Shroud of Turin: Rh Negative or Rh Positive?”

  1. 1 Pekka
    February 4, 2011 at 7:26 am

    Archeologist Shimon Gibson with his colleagues found the tomb discovery in Jerusalem 2009. The discovery exposed remains of the man who had suffered leprosy and died tuberculosis. The researches records that deceased have lived in 1-50 A.D. (in the time of Jesus) and the tomb was obviously the family tomb of upper class or priest family.

    Gibson said that the man had been buried according to manners of the Jews at that time. The manner was that the body wrapped to linen clothes, and the head wrapped with separate face linen. Gibson said that if the person wasn’t actually dead and woke up, he could shake and blow off the face linen and shout for help.

    Professor Shimon Gibson said that the shroud of Turin doesn’t fit together for burial practices in first century Palestine. Gibson said that the shroud of Turin is a single sheet made with a twill weave. According to Gibson the twill weave was known only from the medieval period.

    Shimon Gibson’s archeological evidence is accord with the testimony of the Bible. According to the Bible Lazarus and Jesus had been wrapped with linen clothes and the head with the separate napkin.

    John 11: And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

    John 19:40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

    John 20:
    6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
    7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

    The Bible gives the testimony that the bodies, hands and feet of Lord Jesus and Lazarus wrapped linen clothes and with the separate napkin. In the case of Lazarus Greek text use from the word graveclothes word keiria, which is in plural. This means that Lazarus’ body, hands and feet had been wrapped with several linen clothes. In the case of Lazarus the napkin is in Greek text soudaria and in a singular form. According to John 11:44 Lazarus’ head wrapped with the separate napkin (face linen) as his body, hands and feet. Shimon Gibson’s archeological discovery’s man had been wrapped the exactly same way as the Bible describes wrapping of Lazarus.

    John 19:40 the napkin word is in Greek text othonion, which is in this verse plural. John 20:6 the linen clothes is in Greek text othonion and in plural form. John 20:7 the napkin is in Greek soudarion and in a singular form. The discovery of Shimon Gibson with his colleagues is accord with the testimony of the Bible, because Jesus’ body, hands and feet had been wrapped with several linen clothes and in His head had been separate face linen (the napkin).

    According to the theory of the shroud of Turin Jesus’ had been wrapped on a large linen (shroud). According to the testimony of the Bible, the shroud of Turin is the deception and the fake.

    more info: http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/shroudofturin.html

  2. 2 telson
    February 11, 2011 at 6:39 am

    There are various opinions and researches of the shroud of Turin. Some people say that it is the genuine and some that it is the fake and the hoax. The fact is that the shroud of Turin doesn’t present Jesus of the Bible. If we can find even one evidence, which disprove the shroud of Turin theory, so the whole story shall be invalidated. We can find a large number of evidence from the Bible, which show that the shroud of Turin cannot be the shroud of the Lord Jesus.

    More info:


  3. May 20, 2012 at 6:21 am

    what is your research source that says AB positive?

    • 4 Seeker
      August 19, 2013 at 8:18 pm

      Here is the evidence that they have ZERO EVIDENCE AS TO THE RH-FACTOR: http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/kearse.pdf

      This is a scientific review, with explanations, of ALL the blood tests that were conducted on the shroud blood. The findings annoy me, too. I have my own suspicions, but the official story is that the blood was too degraded to yield rh-factor results.

      • August 13, 2014 at 9:34 am

        I have read that Rh- blood doesn’t die & can be refreshed after 1,000’s of years. If this is so there shouldn’t be a problem in telling if the Shroud was Neg. or not.
        I don’t know if I could put this here or not, but = I am a mother with Rh-D- O- neg. blood & I’m just trying to make since of it all. My only child (son) is O+/-. As a child they (Doctors) use to take blood from me & tell me my blood was saving lives. By the time I was 16 they told my parents I had 3mo.s to live that my blood was killing me, & I had “Thalassemia Major”. The Doctors said I needed a transfusion, but they couldn’t find enough blood to do so in time. Not wanting to die with out having sex (LOL) I did it once & got preg. with my son. My body changed & I got better. Then right before my son was born they told me that he may be a Blue Baby or worst we both could die. Well he came out yelling & they told me he saved my life. About 8mo.s later I was In the hospital having one of my tubes removed, 9mo.s later the other one. Long story short at this point I’m 21 & they are removing everything I had left, including my spleen. After witch they told me I should be fine. That my spleen was making 3 blood cells & the extra one was eating the others & by removing it & giving me fresh blood after 3yr.s of saving for it, it should make me well. I am 61 this mo. in ’07 I had 4by-pass’s & what they called a bridge over a stint I had put in in ’99 & I just want to understand what this is all about, & why my life was so messed up. Sorry for the rant & I or you can remove this, if it shouldn’t be here. I would love some insight if you have any. Thank You!

      • 6 Molly
        December 23, 2016 at 8:02 pm

        Yes, I don’t see the importance of AB positive blood this topic is O negative. The only one I have seen in history with Rh negative blood is Ahk Naten (Egyptian pharaoh).

  4. May 20, 2012 at 6:21 am

    oops, I mean, what is your research sources that say AB negative?

    • 8 inourimage
      June 7, 2012 at 11:20 pm

      When I had researched this well over a year ago, I had found multiple references on the internet to the shroud blood being AB negative. Now, in response to your question, researching this again, the references I do find are questionable to me. You’ll find another comment after this that states that the blood is AB Positive…as in mathematics, if a distinguishing isgn is not posted alongside the blood type it is Positive. If any one reading this has other info to offer, please do!

      • 9 katnea
        July 15, 2012 at 8:32 pm

        I do so agree with your statement of: “well over a year ago, I had found multiple references on the internet to the shroud blood being AB negative.” I too found this to be true myself! Its like all the information regarding Jesus neg blood factor type has been rewritten and changed to positive?! I guess its just a matter of time before the (powers-that-be) start to remove any text referencing Neg blood factors regarding various important celebrities and/or the European Royal families etc. Soon they will be listed as having RH Positive blood factors….just like Jesus is now reported to have have. However, “Facts don’t cease to exist just because they are ignored.”–Huley, Aldous

        Our world is full of disinformation, lies and even worse…the omissions of facts. Nothing new here folks …. just moooove along, pay your taxes and disregard the man behind the curtian. I really don’t care which blood type Jesus is supposed to have. I just found it curious that the info onJesus RH factor … had changed to Positive…. is all.

        Mankind has much more important concerns to be worried about. Like the survival of our species for starters. But hey…the elites have that aspect covered with their huge multi worldwide D.U.M.B. to wait out any (man-made or natural) catastrophic events taking place. (phifft) Most of us do know that something major is about to happen. The clues are everwhere AND we can feel it in our bones. I’m following the old adage, “Hope for the best and PREPARE for the worst.” ♥

      • 10 Margie
        November 7, 2016 at 1:37 pm

        I am wondering if this is the Mandela effect, that has re-written all references to the shroud blood being AB- to AB+.

  5. June 7, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    It was proven conclusively to be AB POSITIVE. There was never any
    scientific testing that produced AB NEGATIVE results. Remember as in the case
    with mathematics, if a distinguishing sign is not posted alongside the blood
    type it is Positive.

    • 12 Seeker
      August 19, 2013 at 8:15 pm

      No, this is not true. If you read the recent 2012 scientific summary paper about exactly what tests were conducted on the blood of the shroud, you would see that, despite all the internet rumors to the contrary, they were UNABLE TO DETERMINE THE RH-FACTOR OF THR SHROUD BLOOD. It was simply too degraded. This paper is, by the way, supporting the idea that the shroud is the real deal.

  6. 13 Katnea
    July 12, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    With all the deceptions and untruths floating about…it is difficult to find the facts regarding Jesus blood factor. I feel that Jesus was actually AB Neg but this information has been covered up. Why? Because too many people would start researching the history behind having an RH Negative blood factor and what it actually means. It is much easier to say Jesus blood was positive. Most of the populations have RH Positive blood types ….people would feel better thinking they have the same type of blood as Jesus. (shrug)

    • 14 inourimage
      July 12, 2012 at 11:46 pm

      Excellent observation…

      • July 13, 2012 at 11:06 pm

        As with everything we can ponder about possible conpiracies and conjecture. The factual results are AB Positive. This is the same result for the Sudarium Face cloth. Whether people would feel better about having the same blood type as Jesus is irrelevant as this would be the same scenario regardless of which blood type it would be. If we cant trust the RH result then why trust the blood type result at all. The concept of RH Negative blood has produced so much propaganda. Similar to the myths about being Left Handed. As the ” Black Sheep of the Family” RH Negative blood is always going to try to push its way into everything either as the Chosen and blessed or as the Cursed or demonic. In this particular case RH Negative results were simply not present!

      • 16 katnea
        July 15, 2012 at 9:38 pm

        I do agree with you as far as the people with negative blood are NOT any better then people with positive blood factors. For me it is whats in a persons heart and how they treat each other that’s important. But isnt that a rather apples and oranges type comparison for this debate? ; )

        I do feel that the “Rhesus factor” information does mess with the Christian Adam and Eve concept! People dont like knowing they have monkey DNA floating about within them & yet some do not! They start pestering the religious leaders with questions on ‘why’ this is. How much easier for everyone involved if Jesus had positive blood. The religious leaders ‘may’ of gotten together and said “Let us curtail any futher investagation of exactly what negative blood is and change Jesus blood to positive!”

        The negative blood factor is way more then just a simple fluke of nature though! Its not like Easy-peezy-lemon-squeezy! (heh) Perhpas you can tell me why people with RH -Neg blood cannot be cloned like Dolly the sheep?

        It makes sense to me that Jesus blood would be Rhesus-Monkey-Free since… He is reported to be the Son of God. Mankind only knows a fraction of whats actually going on out…..”there”. As far as mankind goes…I do know one thing… ” If we have NO PEACE, it is because we HAVE FORGOTTEN that we BELONG TO EACH OTHER.” –Mother Teresa ♥

      • July 16, 2012 at 2:14 am

        The concept of Rheusus FACTOR is totally taken out of context. First of all it has nothing to do with the blood types but an Antigen(Serum) that attacks the red cells in causing them to agglutinate. The Rheusus FACTOR does not derive from a hereditary trait inherited from the Rheusus Monkey but was a common reaction that Rabbits produced in response to contact with red cells of the Rheusus Monkey and 85% of humans, that were tested.Those who are Rheusus negative have the same response in attacking red cells of those who are Rheusus Positive as the Rabbits did. The original term Anti Rheusus referred to the Rabbits response and was later applied to the similar human response of those now labeled RH Negative. In summary those who are RH Positive are those whose Red blood cells were attacked by Rabbit Serum in a similar fashion to the response that the Rabbit Serum had on the Red blood cells of the Rheusus Monkey, while those who are RH Negative have a serum that attacks the Red blood cells of humans who are RH Positive in a similar fashion to the way in which the Rabbit Serum attacks the Red blood cells of RH Positive humans. Propagandists could also accuse those who are RH Negative of Producing RABBIT SERUM and therefore relating them to the RODENT/LAGOMORPHA FAMILY. Expounding on this theme of Propaganda one could doubt the possibility of Jesus being RH Negative by simply stating that Its highly unlikely that his immune system would produce Rabbit Serum. The fact of the matter is that Jesus Christ’s blood type is AB Positive. AB Blood is actually the only blood type that is not found in Primates. Does these mean that all others have ” Monkey Blood ” NO! It simply means that there are common blood types shared between humans and primates. Just as humans and primates share the commonality of having eyes,hands,tongues etc. AB+ Blood plasma can be universally donated to help fight infection and disease in this capacity it is referred to as ” Liquid Gold” .

      • 18 katnea
        July 24, 2012 at 12:34 am

        Thanks for the added info as I shall look into it more. BTW–I’m still waiting for the reason WHY RH-Neg cannot be cloned?

      • 19 inourimage
        July 24, 2012 at 9:56 pm

        Katnea, I’m writing a separate post as to cloning of Rh negative blood!

      • 20 Petunia Skrebbles
        November 13, 2012 at 4:18 am

        Amir, where is your proof that he has RH positive and when did the testing get done on that? Was it a long time ago or was it recently? Who did the testing? What is his/her affiliations and background? Who does he/she work for?

    • 21 Jean
      September 3, 2018 at 8:57 pm

      I’m RH A- and I remember Jesus was posted as RH AB- in the beginning too. The only reason it caught my eye is that of my own blood type being RH-.

  7. July 27, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    I look forward to reading your post on the subject of cloning Rh Negative blood.
    Here is an interesting link which provides detailed information about the origins
    of the RH Negative mutation it is entitled:

  8. 23 giulia
    August 16, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Sorry Sirs, I write from Italy. Being at the Ostension of the Shroud in 2010, I was present at the Holy Mass celebrated by cardinal Severino Poletto of Turin in the opening of the month of exposure of the Shroud. During the celebration, he stated clearly the group found was AB Rh Negative. It is also reported on an Italian newspaper, quoted by His Eminence statement taken from the recent researches of the official syndonologist of the Vatican, Dr. Luigi Vaima Bollone, I put the link for those who can read in italian the word of the cardinal of Turin:


    ” La Sindone ha delle caratteristiche che restano un enigma anche per gli scienziati: è un negativo fotografico, è tridimensionale, c’è il sangue umano del gruppo AB Rh negativo.”

    I can translate for you: ” The Shroud has some characteristics which remain enygmatic even for the scientists: it is a photographic negative, it is 3D, there is human blood on it, belonging to the group AB Rh negative.”


    I am not of the type of the conspirationists, so I believe if a cardinal states this, it must be true, because all the History of the Christianity and the influence of the Vatican is based on this Shroud, i presume they must be sure of what type they found on it.

    • August 17, 2012 at 3:14 am

      It has already been officially announced in the Scientific and religious communities that it is AB+ There is no way that the Messiah Jesus Christ who was born of an immaculate conception would have had Rh negative blood since this is a genetic defect and mutation in which both RhD genes are incapable of producing Antigen D. This is blasphemy as Jesus Christ was born in purity without birth defects.

      • July 13, 2015 at 6:49 pm

        Amir It is abundantly clear you are NOT RH negative and are irrationally prejudice/biased of the results. RH(-) is NOT a genetic defect, has NEVER been presented as such. The scientific community has ONLY been able to claim that RH(-) is a sort of “2nd seeding”. The races such as the Basques who are in high concentration of RH (-) and even higher as time goes back, have a language which does not share any common human root but rather is similar to what alien transmissions have been. The two races (+) and (-) are completely incompatible both biologically and mentally. The only study of Jesus blood ever produced for the SHEEPLE was the one posted above where they clearly state that Jesus’ RH factor “could not be determined”, which is a lie, because many ancient blood typings have been determined that are MUCH older than Jesus. The Vatican however, who by the way has more money, power, technology and Intel than “god” determined it to be RH(-). Just as the clergy has ALWAYS made a distinction from what they tell the laity and what they themselves know, this is another example. It was actually JESUS ironically who changed the censorship of the high priests to the common man and allowed for all to know the history and the truth and the Law of the Universe and Creator.
        It is abundantly clear that allowing the PUBLIC to know ANYTHING about the distinct races that walk this earth would cause even more racism, violence and prejudice than we have now. Ironically those who are the most prejudice of blacks etc, are RH(+) and they will find that they indeed are simply related to the monkeys just like the black people. The RH(-) have two lineages, one from the “gods” (fallen angels/giants) the fraternal line and one from the Great Sophia, the Maternal line. That is all I will tell the public right now. But these two lines are VERY different as far as intent and what they represent.
        Amir, your garbage about the rabbits did not lead to a valid link, has NEVER been brought up in 5 years of my research on the RH factor with any scientific study ever made, and with you irrational statement about Jesus being too pure to be RH(-) despite the evidence from the Vatican, and the fact that “Purity” does NOT involve hybrid monkey species, I am going to assume that this rabbit garbage is indeed garbage.

      • 26 Nicholas nak
        September 2, 2016 at 2:14 am

        Oh man…. there were a thousand historians in the time of Christ and not one word about him… Not even one. The Shroud is a fake the whole story is fake it’s Roman propaganda meant to histories their mythology and demonize the Jews… It’s all political garbage we are all energy vibrating we are all part of the life force that man has called God and religion only serves to segregate and separate people from this fact. You don’t need a middleman to talk to God and you don’t need a church to pray…… And if you believe Jesus really existed then take him at his word… where he refers to himself as the son of man… Mark 2:10 if he did exist he was just a righteous dude leading a rebellion against the corruption of politics and banking… Who ironically have completely hijacked His Image in this Modern Age.

      • 27 Katnea
        September 6, 2016 at 6:17 pm

        RE: Nicholas nak’s 09/02/16 comment – Nicholas, after reading your comment regarding the ongoing Shroud of Turin debate, I simply had to respond to you. I wanted to let you know that I too agree with the majority of what you’ve written. And yes, I especially agree with your religious viewpoints as well. Religion has truly been warped into a powerful propaganda machine that’s fuelled by greed. A machine that withholds knowledge and uses fear and deception as a means of maintaining control over the herd. I also believe that the origin of our species is but *one* of the vast pieces of knowledge that’s locked deep inside the Vatican secret archives. (Phifft)

        Well, as far as your theory regarding our species being a type of vibrating energy which is connected to the life force? Here again, I can also agree with that possibility as well. To me, the soul represents the same. The soul is vibrating energy that returns to the source after the flesh body expires. But hey, I also believe in the reincarnation concept as well. ; )

        Anyway, I wanted to go back and briefly touch on the concept of the human species origin. I think it’s quite possible that the creation of the human species was due to DNA manipulation. Perhaps it was a type of trial and error endeavor? Perhaps we’ve been seeded here and then had our DNA tweaked numerous times? Perhaps the end result is the creation of various human races and the creation of various Rh-factors? Who knows…eh? But I do think our DNA is still being ‘tweaked’ for enhancement of our brain development? (shrug)

        Okay, so that leaves the question of whom or what is behind it all? Dare I open up another can of worms? Perhaps I should quit while I’m ahead? Afteral, I don’t want to come off as totally bat-shite crazy! But then again, I’m pretty sure I’ve already crossed that line…eh? (Grin)

        I’m going to leave a link that may offer more insight on the whom or what possibility. The link is about: UFOs and Extraterrestrials in Ancient Art History. http://www.crystalinks.com/ufohistory.html

        Take Care…

    • 28 Katnea
      August 18, 2012 at 3:00 am

      I could just kiss you Giulia! ♥ Thank-You for sharing the links/information here about Christ having RH-Neg blood . I recall reading the same RH negative information in neumoris past articles but now its been change to RH positive? I too am not a conspirationist but “WHY” would someone change this fact?

      • August 20, 2012 at 6:24 am

        Whatever was originally heard about AB Negative Blood was most likely the rumors of those who wish to promote the Negative Blood supremacy propaganda that has already been debunked. There is not a single scientific report released from the Blood test conducted by Dr. Alan Adler indicating AB Negative results.

        Baima Bollone, M. Jorio, A. L. Massaro: “Identificazione del gruppo delle tracce di sangue umano sulla Sindone”,
        Sindon, Quaderno No. 31, Dicembre 1982, pp. 5-9.

        In addition the AB+ results identically matched that of the Sudarium Face Cloth which was conclusively reported as AB+

      • 30 katnea
        August 21, 2012 at 2:35 am

        I found this bit of info: AB negative or AB positive: which is it? <— http://shroudofturin.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/must-read-all-old-blood-types-as-ab-not-exactly/

        "Finally, in addition to ABO, the designation “positive” or “negative” is often given following a person’s blood group (for example, A positive or O negative). The “+” or “-” refers to expression of the Rh molecule, which is distinct and separate from ABO molecules. Individuals either express Rh molecules (Rh+) or they don’t (Rh-). Although widely reported on the internet that the blood on the Shroud is AB positive (AB+) or AB negative (AB-), there is no scientific basis for these claims. In previous tests, the condition of the blood was such that analysis of the Rh factor was not feasible (personal communication with Baima Bollone through Emanuela Marinelli). Therefore, the expression of Rh antigens on bloodstained fibers of the Shroud remains to be determined. It is unknown if the blood type is AB positive or AB negative." <—This info says the blood factor is still unknown! (Bah…I don't believe it)

      • August 21, 2012 at 3:03 am

        It is true that testing to see if one is Rh Negative is independent from the blood type result. Evidences clearly reveal the fact that both the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium Face cloth were that of our Messiah Jesus Christ. With this understanding even if the Rh results were not available it would still be concluded as AB+ because AB – blood did not come into existence until the Mongol invasions of Europe. This is centuries after Jesus Christ. However the results were revealed to be identical to the AB Positive results on the Sudarium Face Cloth.

  9. August 17, 2012 at 4:30 am

    Another point to consider is that Rh Negative blood is most common amongst White-Europeans at 15% while it is least common amongst Asians at 0.3% However AB Blood is an Asiatic blood type with its highest percentages found throughout the Asian Continent and rarest amongst White Europeans. Therefore AB negative Blood is practically an oxymoron being the rarest at 0.7%. AB Negative blood is the rarest because it only came about because of recent admixtures between ABPositive Tatars and White Europeans with Rh Negative blood. This took place during the Mongol invasions of Europe during the 13th-14th centuries. This was about 1,300 years after Jesus’ time.

    • 33 Bioba
      August 9, 2015 at 11:50 am

      Hm, I’m white-European with germanic- polish roots. I am A (0) negative. My husband is a black-African bantu from Bakongo tribe, he is B (0) negative. Our children are AB negative and 0 negative. So there are more ways how AB- had been spread into this world. ….

  10. 34 Vicomte13
    October 8, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Everybody take a deep breath and stop arguing theology from blood type. The blood on the Shroud of Turin may by Rh negative or positive. Sources available on the Internet seem to indicate both.

    As far as the origins of Rh negative, or positive, blood type, this is unknown. What IS known is the populations among which it is most heavily concentrated. Rh negative blood is rare everywhere, but is most common in Europe. Not everywhere in Europe, but specifically concentrated in the Basque country and in the areas of the Basque diaspora, notably Ireland (southern Ireland was colonized circa 1000 BC by immigrants from the Basque coasts).

    The intervening lands between the Basque country and Ireland do NOT have the same concentration of Rh Negative blood.

    So, in Europe it would seem that Rh negative blood has its origins in whatever the people were whose remnant today is called the Basques.

    The origin of the Baaques is interesting, but also unknown. Some speculate they are the descendants of Neanderthal/Cro-Magnon crosses, which might help explain a peculiar blood type being concentrated there, as opposed to dispersed all over the world. We will pass over Basque legend of their ancestors being post-Flood Nephilim, because that is precisely the sort of theological speculation that I wanted to avoid at the outset of this.

    Outside of the Americas (and particular Chile, which has a very heavy Basque immigrant population), there are only two other local concentrations of Rh Negative blood outside of the Basque country (where it is nearly half the population) and southern Ireland (where it is present in about a quarter of the population)(the “15% average” across Europe is just that: an average – where Rh Negative blood is concentrated, there is a considerable degree of it; elsewhere, there isn’t much at al), One of those two places is in the Atlas Mountains in the Moroccan Sahara, due south of Spain. It is entirely possible that the populations there were originally geographically contiguous with the Basques to the north, before the climate changes that dried the desert and melted the ice and opened up the Strait of Gibraltar, permanently sundering two peoples who originally were one.

    Another possibility is that the Vandals, on their way through Spain to North Africa, took with them captive women who eventually were sold to tribes living in the Western Sahara, resulting in the local concentration.

    The other place where there is a local Rh Negative blood concentration is Israel around Jerusalem. To those who want to make theological hay, this may seem significant. However, that’s a mirage. The Rh Negative blood concentrated in Jersualem also probably comes out of Spain, for we should recall that the Jews of the middle ages in Spain sided with the Moors, and the Spanish Inquisition was aimed at the Jews and Moors to drive them out of the country. Jews uprooted from Spain settled in the Ottoman Empire, and having been uprooted, Jerusalem was a logical destination for Jews.

    So, the other two localized concentrations of Rh Negative blood: in the Atlas Mountains and in Jerusalem, are probably traceable back to the Basque country.

    Now, is Rh Negative blood a MUTATION, or is it, rather, the original state of human blood, with the Rh positive factor being a mutation that developed over the years in reaction to some terrible epidemic? The Basques, isolated from the rest of the world population by their remoteness, mountains, and in that era, ice, may have been sufficiently isolated to not have been infected. Alternatively, if the Basques are partly descended from Neanderthalers, it may be that the Neanderthals were killed by that very plague, but that the recessive Rh negative gene, being geographically concentrated, re-expressed itself.

    Speculating on theology is fun, but there isn’t any grounds to theologically assert the blood type of Jesus.

    • 35 katnea
      October 9, 2012 at 7:39 pm

      Finally! A titan (Amir Ishaq D. At-Sulaimani) VS a titan (Vicomte13) regarding this whole RH factor debate! I can’t tell you just how refreshing it was for me to read “Vicomte13” comments! I must say that you (Vicomte13) made me grin when you said “Now, is Rh Negative blood a MUTATION, or is it, rather, the original state of human blood, with the Rh positive factor being a ‘mutation’ that developed over the years in reaction to some terrible epidemic?”

      WOW! I can only hope that during my next reincarnation…I too will be just as gifted as you are! When Amir Ishaq D. At-Sulaimani” responds to you (and he will) I’m quite sure you will be up to the task of defending yourself.

      I’m curious about you Vicomte13…. is your blood factor negative and are you actually French? I do understand that you don’t have to answer any of my questions…. but thought I would ask anyway.

      Again….Thanks for sharing such enlightening information with us all. You really made my day!
      ♥ <— heart full of negative factor blood. (hah!)

      • 36 Vicomte13
        September 28, 2013 at 9:59 pm

        I saw this just today, not sure how. Ah yes, the perennial question of Rh Negative blood.

        I guess I’ll reply seriatim. The good Amir may well be a Titan. I, by contrast, am but a humble Vicomte.
        French? Yes, in origin…South by Southwest (French Basque), North by Northwest (Norman, whence the Vicomte), and due East (Alsace). Also Sami Lapplander, from my mother’s side of the family.

        A Sami Basque mix. Weird. Probably unique. Only in America, as they say. Reindeer milk and bouillabaisse.

        Yes, I have Rh negative blood. My father had the Basque type O, but I have my mother’s Sami type A.

        Of course you will not have a next reincarnation. Live once, die once…therefore, eat much herring, for herring is happiness. Sild er lykke. (Really, herring IS happiness, because herring has more Vitamin D in it than any other food (cod liver oil is food for trolls, not humans), and Vitamin D fights SADD on dark days.

        There are strange thing done in the Midnight Sun by the men who moil for gold…but they’d be a lot happier if they ate their herring!

    • 37 Petunia Skrebbles
      November 13, 2012 at 4:28 am

      You forgot to mention the group of RH negs located in the south of France. That is where my ancestors came from and brought their RH neg blood with them.

      • 38 Vicomte13
        September 28, 2013 at 10:01 pm

        The Rh negative factor in the South of France is Basque in origin. Southwest France is the Basque country.

        “Beati Ausci, proqui vivere bibere est.” (Happy are the Basques, for whom to live is to drink.)
        – Roman saying

    • 39 Theresa
      July 7, 2014 at 4:38 am

      Ethnicity estimate for Theresa M Barranco

      Europe 100%
      Iberian Peninsula36%
      Great Britain29%
      Trace Regions 1%
      Show all regions

  11. 41 Calandra18
    November 27, 2012 at 12:43 am

    To those who have stated the shroud was a proven forgery, Touché…IT IS A PROVEN FORGERY-many times over. The shroud was CARBON DATED by at least three [many more sources by today’s date] distinct and separate laboratories to have been created between 1260 and 1390 AD. That is a disparity of at least 1200 years after the proposed death of Jesus Christ. Here’s one PR release regarding the testing…more available if requested as well as at least two laboratory reports on the results.

    One might ask why any individual or group of individuals would go to such lengths to create then promote such a forgery–particularly as far back as this particular piece of material carbon dates to? Simply put, to “Prove” the existence of Christ and the Biblical mythology surrounding these tales-to provide yet another “miracle” in the eyes of the peasants through which to better brainwash the masses. While some stories in the bible may have basis in fact-the bottom line is this: Christianity in it’s modern form was essentially CREATED, ALTERED and UTILIZED by the church [i.e. ‘Constantine’ is popularly considered the original driving force] as a method of controlling the populace. And it proved itself to be a highly effective method of control as can be witnessed in the millions of faithful sheep that flock mindlessly to the peal of church bells worldwide.

    What better way to enact control than to instill fear and awe in the hearts and minds of the easily led? Then enable that fear and awe filter down from parent to child throughout the generations…A brilliant scheme that has worked for thousands of years! [for a bit of comic entertainment value and to see this concept in action-watch the movie The Gods Must Be Crazy-c 1980]

    And to those who argue the positive or negative factor based on any scientific proof other than “because I have faith, therefore it is so”-please supply me with any links to the research studies of which you speak, as I have been unable to locate any viable information mentioning the RH factor in any tests done on the shroud in a scientific manner. I enjoy analyzing theories that have some basis in fact, therefore I would very much appreciate the opportunity to review any information presented regarding RH factor and DNA studies done on the material in question.

    My hypothesis is this, based on scientific studies on the shroud-take it as you will:
    A-The shroud is a fake-a forgery, or at best it is possibly a shroud from a MUCH later [and common] execution and burial.
    B-If from a more common execution and burial, the ‘marks’ to prove the evidence of Jesus Christ were added at a later date to provide another tool of awe to control the masses. [this too has been shown in sci. studies and was explained away by the Church as later damage to the shroud. [Look up the known history of the shroud of turin and it’s factual data if you indeed care to learn more of what you speak.]
    C-Those that believe the popular theory based on faith are not going to consider the scientific facts in any way as the powers that be told them “not to question” as a little knowledge is clearly a sin. [However, those capable of independent thought, even though they may have been deluded earlier in life-will question and with good reason.] AND will not consider the facts anyway.

    • 42 katnea
      June 11, 2013 at 12:52 am

      Hey Calandra18,

      I really enjoyed reading your post regarding the authenticity of the “Shroud” of Turin. Wow, you really hit the nail on the head when you wrote the last “C” paragraph! (smiles) But, as far as the “Shroud” being authentic or not…. I’ve never really been bothered about it either way. (shrug)

      However, I’ll tell yeah what DOES bother me though! I don’t understand “why'” the “Shroud’s” blood factor results have been changed in recent years?! Yes, as far back as I can remember, any past info surrounding the “Shroud of Turin” have always been listed as it being “AB-NEGATIVE” Period. (phiffft)

      I mean what’s the point of changing the blood factor results on a real or fake forgery?

      Have a calm and blessed day………..

      PS- I also feel that the “powers-that-be” have withheld our ancient cosmic knowledge from us as well. Don’t even get me started on our Government’s connection to the ET agenda(s) either! (grin)

  12. 43 Timotheus
    June 9, 2013 at 3:16 am

    I don’t believe shroud is a fake…The carbon dating tests Calandra referred to were done on the corners of the shroud and repairs had been done to the fabric over the centuries so those tests are not valid for the entire shroud.

    • 44 Virginia
      December 12, 2013 at 9:24 pm

      I agree Timotheus, the shroud isn’t a fake. I ask the non-believers of the shroud to not be upset by my opinions and beliefs as I have my own just as you do. I ask you to view the You Tube of the last testing done on the shroud where it was discovered what Jesus looked like exactly (minus his color). The edges that were tested had been layered over with many handprints of people from 1200 to 1300 years after Jesus Christ. There is even art-work dating back to those times showing people holding the shroud during exhibitions. Many, many hands holding it from there through the centuries.
      There are Egyptian mummies older than the shroud of Turin. So why is it so hard to believe that it could be Jesus Christ? That was only 2013 ago. He basically looks the same as what we see in the average Jesus art-work. He was somewhere between 5′ 11 1/2 to 6 feet tall. He had a beard just like in the art-work we know of, he had a long thin nose and had classic features, and was a strong, young man. Why does he have to be ugly? He was of the same race as the people in his town so he didn’t stand-out as being too white or too dark. It was researched that he had to be somewhere in between (olive skinned and dark brown hair). However, as far as his looks, he does look handsome – and what’s the problem with that? Look at the You Tube and see for yourself.

  13. 45 Theresa
    July 7, 2014 at 4:36 am

    They say RH Factor O- is the oldest Blood in the world..What Type was the Virgin Mary?

  14. 46 HC
    September 16, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    amir is definitely a government shill. 1st look at his name. 2nd look how he knows all and is beyond being questioned.
    if anything, Christ would come nearer being type O.
    The shroud has been handled by many throughout the centuries and has been contaminated with other blood which info came out during the ’60s, regardless of what you want to believe.
    The amount of power which forced the image onto the shroud would have so great (similar to a small nuclear explosion and I did not say it was a nuclear explosion) that any traces of blood which could have been verified would have been eradicated.
    We are talking about the power of GOD not man. Satan through man must obliterate the truth concerning Christ – it is a never ending story.

    • July 13, 2015 at 7:48 pm

      @HC I agree Amir is an undercover idiot. The truth is that Jesus is AB and that is conclusive. Just because O is the universal donor does NOT mean that it is perfect blood. It is the most primitive blood, associated with aboriginal natives, and primitive meat eating diet. I am not going to argue why Jesus is AB because I don’t need to. It has been proven. Science and medicine down plays blood factors because they don’t want more racism and more questioning about our origins. Can you imagine telling people, ‘Hey, 85% of you come from monkey hybrids and the rest are descendents of the ‘god’ in various lineages?’ How well do you think the public would relate to that? It is VERY clear that RH(–) and (+) are different species, scientifically, biologically and mentally. I, being an RH(-), have lived my entire life (46 yrs) as an outcast from the 85% and have found over time that I can literally only trust and allow RH(-) into my world. The RH(+), 110% of the time end up betraying me stabbing me in the back and siding with the rest of the monkeys, the 85%. It will never change, and this is how it is for ALL RH(-). We are the scapegoats, the visionaries, the different ones, we are the sacrificial lambs just like Jesus…. His is not really a lineage of blood, but of Spirit. I am the only one in my family who is RH(-), which is proof that those who embody this level of evolvement do not do so based on lineage but on spiritual evolution. See the above statement from the Italian that actually witnessed the uncovering of the Shroud in Turin:
      “”Sorry Sirs, I write from Italy. Being at the Ostension of the Shroud in 2010, I was present at the Holy Mass celebrated by cardinal Severino Poletto of Turin in the opening of the month of exposure of the Shroud. During the celebration, he stated clearly the group found was AB Rh Negative. It is also reported on an Italian newspaper, quoted by His Eminence statement taken from the recent researches of the official syndonologist of the Vatican, Dr. Luigi Vaima Bollone, I put the link for those who can read in italian the word of the cardinal of Turin:


      ” La Sindone ha delle caratteristiche che restano un enigma anche per gli scienziati: è un negativo fotografico, è tridimensionale, c’è il sangue umano del gruppo AB Rh negativo.”

      I can translate for you: ” The Shroud has some characteristics which remain enygmatic even for the scientists: it is a photographic negative, it is 3D, there is human blood on it, belonging to the group AB Rh negative.”


      I am not of the type of the conspirationists, so I believe if a cardinal states this, it must be true, because all the History of the Christianity and the influence of the Vatican is based on this Shroud, i presume they must be sure of what type they found on it.””

      Here is the deal for you Americans who are just so confused. I have traveled and/or lived in 33 countries and 1000’s of cities all over the globe. I am American but soon discovered that when you are OUT of AMerica, then begins the TRUTH. The CENSORSHIP IS in America. We are suppressed and kept in ignorance and since so very few of us are really doing anything but consuming and taking pills and laying comatose in front of TV and social media, NO ONE really cares that they are in a prison of lies. In Italy, where I lived for 2 years, they have NO reason to hide something like this truth of Jesus’ blood type. The people there are treated like they are true humans capable of handling that fact. There is no poverty and homelessness in Italy (except maybe the gypsys who sneak in and ask for money) those are NOT Italians. The reason for this is because they are treated like humans with dignity. Their media tells the truth. I am a medical researcher and have found that when American scientists do studies, for the most part, they are to support and foster big pharma. WHen Italian scientists do research it is to help their people live longer and have a better quality of life. Sadly, America is full of people with BIG hearts but much ignorance.
      In effect, if the Vatican says something, IT’S TRUE. They have more money, resources, Intel, technology, and power than any other organization or country in the world.

      • 48 renloumarks@yahoo.com
        August 16, 2016 at 4:46 am

        One of my dearest friends is Italian and lives in Italy. There is poverty. But I’m sure not as bad as the USA and some other countries. The poverty for many in Italy is so bad right now that the suicide rate has skyrocketed. Me friend Francesca told me herself. She herself suffers from deep depression. Yes we Americans have big hearts but our hands are tied from FDA control over our well being. Our Gov operates on nothing but greed . I do not believe that anyone has samples of the blood of Jesus saved.

      • 49 renloumarks@yahoo.com
        August 16, 2016 at 4:54 am

        That being said I agree with most of what you wrote. But I have RH – blood myself , along with both of my parents and I know of two special RH + blood people who are true blue to me. Have only loved me and never betrayed me. My own sister with the same blood type did betray me. So there you have it. it does not matter that we have different blood. We are still human and blood type has nothing to do with the goodness of our hearts for this comes from the soul alone.

  15. December 5, 2015 at 2:55 am

    In general, Rh negative blood is given to Rh-negative patients, and Rh positive blood or Rh negative blood may be given to Rh positive patients. The universal red cell donor has Type O negative blood type. The universal plasma donor has Type AB positive and AB negative blood type. http://www.redcrossblood.org/learn-about-blood/blood-types

  16. 51 renloumarks@yahoo.com
    August 16, 2016 at 4:38 am

    Jesus bled that’s for sure but no part of his heart was ever removed. If there is heart tissue, its someone else’s heart. Not Jesus’s heart. There is also no proof that the Shroud of Turin is the one used over Jesus. I saw a full documentary on it and there is evidence that its not from Jesus.

    • 52 mary
      August 17, 2016 at 7:23 pm

      Renloumarks The very fact that it is a miraculous photographic image transferred onto cloth 1000s of years before cameras doesn’t tell you a little something? The fact that you can see the thorns and the blood on his head from them doesn’t tell u something?
      Jesus was extremely unique in his wounds of crucifixion particularly the crown, because the Jews wanted to punish and ridicule his claim to his Fathers throne in Heaven by putting a crown of thorns on his head. NO other criminal had a crown of thorns…. Every documentary I have seen confirms that it IS Jesus. You can surely count on a massive faction of atheists who want to disprove it tho. Anyway Renlou regarding your comments of RH -/+ There are SOME RH+ with recessive RH- factor. There are 2 lineages of RH- as I stated and those two aren’t friends, as it were…. So yes betrayal is very possible. But its very complicated.
      Re: poverty in Italy…. I never saw it. I saw women literally going without food so they could afford a Gucci top for $5000 …and they couldn’t wear that top when the seasons changed. There was no homelessness,so that oughta tell you how much poverty there really is.

  17. 53 Navtej singh
    March 29, 2017 at 10:11 am

    my blood group is o negative. cell. 00393398319781

  18. 54 Jacob Israel Otxoavalles
    January 12, 2018 at 11:35 am

    This still doesn’t clear this up for my inquiry. Ok, are the test RH Negative AB positive or RH Negative AB negative vs RH positive AB positive or RH positive AB negative?

    Thx best regards….Jake

  19. 55 Jacob Miller OchoaValles
    January 12, 2018 at 11:43 am

    My question is, did the test show RH Negative: AB- positive or AB- negative vs RH positive: AB- positive or AB- negative? I hope I don’t confuse you. Im certain of what I have already gathered but I need to be reassured. Thx kindly, best regards. Jake

  20. 56 Diana
    January 29, 2018 at 9:56 pm

    Who has possession and who claims ownership to the shroud of Turin???rh negatives are a minority. ABNegative is the most rare of all blood types. Who would benefit from making people believe the blood type is AB POSITIVE ???WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY REPORTED TO BE AB NEGATIVE?

    • 57 queenofsienna
      January 30, 2018 at 12:14 am

      I believe the shroud is owned by the Roman Catholic Church and is housed at the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist in Turin.

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